Zune 80, Cont

Ultimately deciding on the value of the Zune comes down to how well it performs its tasks. When it comes to the Zune as a music player, the issues we have with it are minor in practice, and not the kind of showstopper issues that some people have had with the original Zune. Although with the presence of the larger screen you'd correctly assume Microsoft is focusing on more than just music here, Microsoft hasn't made the mistake of neglecting usability of Zune for music, and as such we're generally happy with it when it comes to playing music. If you're the kind of person that isn't bothered by the minor UI/control hang-ups, then you're going to find that the Zune is as easy to use and as effective as any other MP3 player we're looking at today.

On the technological side, we find that Microsoft's choice of format support is odd. On top of MP3 support it adds Microsoft's own WMA (lossy), WMA lossless, and is still one of the few players that supports the latest and greatest MPEG audio format, AAC. On the other hand it doesn't support WAV (admittedly useless, but still...) and audio book users will be disappointed to find out it doesn't support Audible, the de-facto source for audio books. Here the Zune joins the small club of only a few high-profile devices that don't support Audible's format, and this isn't something we'd expect. The Zune store has some audio books, but nothing comes close to Audible's collection at the moment. There's no Vorbis/FLAC support either, not that we'd expect it but it never hurts to mention how nice it would be.

There's also one final downside with the Zune here: there's no equalizer. This isn't a big deal for us personally, we don't find the need for the function on our MP3 players, but there's a good chance we're in the minority here. If you absolutely need an equalizer (although we digress and say you need better earbuds) then you're not going to want the Zune.

On the final upside however, the Zune does something Apple has avoided doing for the entire life of the iPod line and includes an FM radio tuner. Much like the equalizer, we don't see a need for FM radio since the audio quality is inherently inferior to a good audio file, but we can't find any faults in including it. FM tuners are small and easy on the power consumption, so for those users who for whatever reason want to be able to listen to the radio as easily as they listen to their other music, that option is open with the Zune.

Moving on, we have the video functionality of the Zune, one of the unit's real strong points in design. The UI for video is every bit as competent as it is for audio, which means Microsoft only needs to deliver on the hardware to make a solid combination. This is where Microsoft and Apple have diverged some, the iPod Classic isn't focused on video even though it has the ability, meanwhile the Zune is. The 3.2" 320x240 is big enough to be comfortable to watch videos on and it has no problem being bright enough to do so without any eye strain. We'll talk more about the screen later in our benchmarking section, but for now we'll say we're happy with it.

For the Zune 80 the technical side of its video abilities received a massive boost; the original Zune initially only supported Microsoft's WMV video, which for obvious reasons was a poor idea. This time around the Zune 80 supports MPEG-4 Simple Profile and H.264 along with WMV, with their associated standard-defined containers. Like the iPods it supports video resolutions in excess of the screen for compatibility purposes, but also like the iPods it's going to be a waste if you're encoding your own videos.

Finally, in sharp contrast to Apple's decision to add PIM functionality and games to the iPods to round out the devices, Microsoft has gone in a completely different direction with the Zune Social aspect of the device. For those not familiar with this functionality from the original Zune, as the Zune features a WiFi radio it has the ability to communicate with other Zunes in the immediate area. With this ability it can send songs (3 play limit), photos, and podcasts to other Zunes it sees. Microsoft's vision for this functionality is a (meatspace) community where users are sending each other songs, in effect helping each other find new songs by sharing what they like.

While we'd like to comment on the WiFi social aspect of the Zune, the lack of another Zune prevents us from doing so. We don't have another Zune in our possession and we haven't found another Zune (with its WiFi abilities turned on) to test this ability with, so we can only speak of it in theory. Our gut reaction is that this is a waste of battery power to leave the WiFi radio turned on (then again, perhaps we're not hip enough?) but we can't put our theory to the test to solidly judge it.

The other aspect of Zune Social, new with the Zune 80, is a social website approach to sharing music. Similar to MySpace and the like, users can create accounts, see what other people are listening to, and then make comments or recommendations about the music and purchase it for themselves if it's in the Zune store's catalog. We'll be frank here and say that we're not impressed with this aspect of it. Specialized communities are nice, but between the self-limiting issues of only being useful for discussing music and then only for Zune owners, and because there's already a flood of social networking sites, this comes across as very me-too of Microsoft. Since this isn't a feature of the Zune hardware there's nothing being drug down, it's just not a useful addition to the Zune experience.

Moving on to the design of the Zune, one of the major complaints about the original Zune was how big it was (.58" thick), a necessity for the larger screen, WiFi radio, and battery. The Zune has gone on a diet, and for the Zune 80 it's down to .50" thick. In this case we consider .50" the magic number for thickness; anything bigger is going to be too thick and will probably give us problems protruding if we aren't putting it in a baggy pocket, while .50" is just small enough that it passes our tests. It's still .09" thicker than the similarly designed 80GB iPod Classic, so for those absolutely worried about thickness but still want a hard drive, they may be turned off by the extra bulk.

Perfectionists sick of chrome backs on their MP3 players will be happy to find that the Zune uses a brushed aluminum back, which means it isn't the fingerprint or scratch magnet that is the iPod. The only downside to this is that it makes the Zune feel deceptively less-than-sturdy. The aluminum back is plenty strong, but on first picking it up it doesn't exude the same "this is a solid metal back" that the iPods do. On the whole the Zune 80 is every bit as solid of a design as the rest of the MP3 players we're looking at today; we don't have any concerns with it breaking.

Wrapping things up, we have the grab bag of everything else that doesn't fit in to another category. We'll start with earbuds, a sore subject for us when it comes to the iPods. With the Zune, Microsoft clearly gets the idea that users don't want to or won't purchase separate earbuds for their MP3 player, as they include a set of remarkable "premium" earbuds with the Zune 80. Not only is the audio quality of these earbuds immediately superior to that of the iPod earbuds, but these are in a canalphone style using rubber fittings to hold the earbuds to the ear. This blocks out some outside noise and does a great deal to keep the earbuds inside of your ears, our biggest problem with the iPod earbuds. Audiophiles still won't be impressed but otherwise these are great earbuds that most users won't feel the need to replace, and a solid example of the kind of earbuds that should be coming with a high-end MP3 player.

On a less positive note, we're disappointed with how the Zune is interfaced with a host computer. Like the iPod Touch, it's a device that requires a driver to be recognized by the operating system and used, which brings about the same OS-agnostic problems as with the Touch. Microsoft had the sense to support 64bit versions of Windows out of the box, but not Linux or the Mac. It would behoove Microsoft to get the Zune working on the Mac as Apple's market share continues to grow (particularly with laptops).

Unfortunately the driver issues also means that the Zune can't immediately be used as a portable hard drive, which is a much bigger deal for the Zune than it was for the much smaller Touch. An 80GB hard drive is huge, using a MP3 player with such great capacity as a portable hard drive is something that you'll never find on a spec sheet but is something we believe many owners are definitely going to want to do. While we can use a registry hack to enable disk mode, we still need the driver installed and the registry edited on each computer we want to interface the Zune with; it's a very impractical solution. The Zune should have a native USB mass storage device mode like the iPod (even if drivers would still be required to do anything else with the Zune), it's appalling that it lacks this.

Last, we feel Microsoft is really failing to grasp what they can do with WiFi here, even more than Apple with the Touch. We're absolutely thrilled that we can wirelessly sync the Zune, and we're absolutely confused as to why that and media sharing are all we can do. Since the Zune isn't built with the kind of controls or the kind of hardware needed to be a full PDA we aren't expecting a lot, but it has FM radio support but no internet radio support? And what about wireless access to the Zune social service or the Zune marketplace? Even though Apple now has a product with WiFi support this still could be something that could help further set apart the Zune from the iPod Classic, but Microsoft missed their chance here.

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  • TedKord - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - link

    A mac IS a PC these days, only with fewer hardware choices and OSX instead of Windows/Linux, etc...
  • Dennis Travis - Monday, January 21, 2008 - link

    Interesting. I really like the Zune but use Macs for my everyday computing. Go figure! I do have Windows machines also but it would be nice if MS made the Zune work with OSX. I know many with Macs who like the Zune.
  • madoka - Monday, January 21, 2008 - link

    I know I'm not alone in this and as wrong as it maybe, everytime I see someone with a Zune, I think that that person could either not afford or was too cheap to pay for an ipod.
  • marybear423 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - link

    Riight...

    zune 80gb $249.99
    ipod 80gb $249.00

    Looks like all those "poor people" had to go cheap and shell out an extra $0.99 for their zune...

    Brilliant. A+ for you.
  • kmmatney - Monday, January 21, 2008 - link

    I want to commend you on nailing a huge issue in your introduction - gift cards. I was thnking about getting one of the lasser known MP3 brands - but I had to by my plasyer with BestBuy gift cards, so that ruled out a lot of my choices. I ended up going with the 8G Ipod Nano, since I liked that out of my choices at BestBuy. When your stuck with BestBuy, to really only have a few choices for a high end MP3 player.
  • rhangman - Monday, January 21, 2008 - link

    The only reason I bought an iPod was because at the time they were the only players that could be controlled by car head units. Just did a quick search and I couldn't really see anything for Zune's. Since I bought my head unit (Alpine) the number of iPod compatible decks (after market and stock) has increased significantly too.
  • rcbm1970 - Monday, January 21, 2008 - link

    Almost every review I have read that compares the zune 80 to the Ipod classic points out one very import feature: the superior sound quality if the zune. It isn't the earbuds its the sound quality of the base components. I took my the earbuds that came with my zune 80 and listened to many of the competition, and there is no comparison; the zune 80 is superior. As with the Iphone and its horrible call quality, the marketing of the cult and its design ignores the purpose of the device. This should be about sound quality being the primary concern. The fact that you were craving for an equalizers shows how little you understand about the sound quality issue. Did you understand that you are to fully place the zune earbuds into your ear to get the proper bass sound? I also question if you gave yourself enough time to get used to the zunes control features. It was into the third week before I started to get used to the short cuts. I will stick with cnet and pcmag if you produce reviews such as this.
  • rcbm1970 - Monday, January 21, 2008 - link

    I should clarify. By competition, I mean apple products. The creative products produce great sound. I haven't been able to compare to iriver devices, but the cnet folks have. This is really simple when shopping for these devices do look at the reviews, but then take your favorite set of headphones or buds (apple buds the exception) and listen to each device in the store. You will find the listening difference between the apple products and many of the others is analogous to dragging your hand across raw cardboard compared to fine finished wood. We have become so used to bad quality that we don't realize how good it can be.
  • darkswordsman17 - Monday, January 21, 2008 - link

    People,d the reason you shouldn't include stuff like the Zen and the Karma is that they are discontinued (in the case of the Karmas for a few years now). The Zen Vision: M is the closes to a direct competitor that Creative made to these two, and it is discontinued. We can throw the Cowon X5 in there as well. The new Zen I don't find comparable because it is flash based. It would be nice to see a flash comparison (where the Zune and iPods would get handed to it in price/performance and features, although the Touch would do well but it costs put it out of most people's consideration). There is a reason why there isn't any company making a music focused HDD based player, trying to compete with Microsoft and Apple is asking to lose money, and neither of those two are really competitive in the flash based players (at least on features and price), which allows them to actually compete. Of course that doesn't stop the iPods and Zunes from outselling them still.

    As for the slowdown on the Classic, have you tried using one with the updated firmware? The launch units did have some very bad slowdown, but it has since been resolved and is now much speedier.

    On the sound quality side, I was a bit unimpressed, as hooking them up to machines to check their sound quality doesn't tell the whole story. I have not seen a single person who has heard both the Classic or recent iPods (which many say sound better than the Classic although some say the Classic is better as well) and the Zunes who did not say the Zunes sound much better to their ears. The Zune 80 especially is known to have an execptionally clean headphone out (most people don't recognize noise in the signal when they hear it, mostly because they aren't used to using higher quality audio components, and no I'm not talking $50,000 speakers here either).

    Thats not to say the author's findings aren't valid, they just don't tell the whole story. I suggest checking out one of the many DAP/PMP review sites (such as DAPReview, AnythingbutiPod) and also forums such as the portable audio one on Head-Fi if you want more user consensus and in depth testing.

    Bottom line, if you need the storage and don't want to spend to get into the PMP category, then the iPod Classic or Zune are both quite good, each with its own strenghts. For flash players, the new Zen is very nice but has issues with the SD expansion slot (it doesn't integrate its music and other files with that of those on the players internal memory). The Cowon D2 is very good, although I'd wait because I think they're probably going to up capacity on them fairly soon. In that same vein the iRiver Clix 2 is pretty nice as is the Meizu M6 I think its called. The Sandisk Sansas are ok, but they are targeted more at packing features in than actually being that good at anything (sound quality, interface, etc). Lastly, there is the new Sony players, which although they lack the expansion slots that have become defacto, they have gotten rid of needing software for use and all the DRM crap that hurt Sony so badly. Also they compete well with the iPod and Zunes in price and features, all the while having some of if not the best sound from a portable music player. Personally, I wouldn't even consider the flash based iPods or Zunes at all as they're high on price and low on features compared to the competition. Couple that with Amazon being a better place to get music online than either iTunes or the Zune marketplace (no DRM at all, not just on some music, competitive price with better quality) and there's no reason to tie yourself to a setup like that (Amazon has a utility that will sync your downloads from them with iTunes so thats a non-issue).
  • Odeen - Monday, January 21, 2008 - link

    Any "high-end" MP3 player comparisons should also include the Rio Karma for a few reasons:
    The Karma is the de-facto standard in sound quality for MP3 files, and includes a dock that allows one to output line-level audio, bypassing the internal amplifier

    The Karma includes a 5-band parametric equalizer. Not only can you individually adjust any of the five bands, but you can also change the scope of the adjustment, as the "width" of the band is customizable

    The Karma is the only player that supports proper gapless playback with regular MP3 files. I don't know about you, but pauses and clicks where the music should be seamless is a huge reduction in sound quality.

    The Karma is the only player that supports free codecs of both lossy and lossless variety. If MP3 suddenly goes the way of the GIF (i.e. the format creator starts pursuing royalties more aggressively) and your mp3's are outlawed, the Karma will still play OGG and FLAC files, formats that cannot be patented or restricted.


    Basically, if you are comparing "MP3 Players", first and foremost judge them on how well they PLAY MP3's. I consider that any player wishing for itself to be considered "high end" should produce good sound quality without skipping or popping between tracks - which neither the iPod or Zune can. Everything else is pretty much gravy - whether it's a user interface that's not steeped in heavy geek, whether it's tight integration with a media management suite or music store, whether it's the ability to play videos or squirt. A high-end MP3 player should play MP3's better than anything else, and that's not what the iPod or the Zune offer.

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