Intel Turns AMD back into the Old AMD
by Anand Lal Shimpi on July 18, 2006 12:24 AM EST- Posted in
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I haven't gone running ever since I moved up to CT, but now that I'm back in NC I hope to get back into some sort of a routine. Having just got back from a late night run (pretty much the only time I can run during NC summers thanks to my body's desire to produce limitless amounts of heat), I was catching up on my news when I caught two articles of importance, both happened to be at DailyTech.
The first one is about Intel's upcoming Core 2 Duo E4300. In my Core 2 Duo review I talked about an E4200, but it looks like Intel has scrapped the E4200 and replaced it with the E4300. The E4200 was supposed to be a 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo with a 2MB L2 cache but only an 800MHz FSB. The E4300 is a 1.8GHz part, also equipped with a 2MB L2 cache and the same 800MHz FSB. The now canceled (or delayed) E4200 and the new E4300 both lack VT support, which will surely become more than a meaningless feature without software support. I've updated my Conroe article to reflect the updated information, but this change in Intel's roadmap is important for one reason, and one reason alone: when was the last time Intel made a last minute change to a roadmap that gave us a faster CPU? The last case I can remember was the ill-fated Pentium III 1.13GHz.
Why did Intel ditch the E4200 and give us the E4300 instead? My bet is on the next piece of news that caught my eye today: AMD's new price cuts. The pricing information that came out shortly after Computex was indeed higher than AMD ended up going with, the new pricing is indeed far more competitive. Based on AMD's new pricing, we've got the following matchups:
Does AMD's new pricing change my processor recommendations? It most definitely can, but that obviously depends on what the availability picture looks like for the rest of this year. Assuming that these MSRPs actually translate into real world street pricing then here's my analysis of the new playing field:
E6600 vs. X2 5000+ ($316 vs. $282)
Based on the benchmarks I ran for my Core 2 Duo article, it looks like the E6600 would win this battle hands down. The E6600 costs a bit more, but would beat the 5000+ across the board.
E6400 vs. X2 4600+ ($224 vs. $224)
I'm still waiting on a E6400 to test but if I compare the 4600+ to the E6300 it's hard to declare a clear winner. Given that the E6400 will be faster than the E6300, it's still tough to say if there will be a clear winner - this battle may just end up being a toss up, or more than likely will boil down to street prices and availability.
E6300 vs. X2 4200+ ($183 vs. $175)
Just like the E6400 vs. X2 4600+ battle, it's tough to declare a true winner here. The E6300 pulls ahead in all of the gaming tests, while the 4200+ manages a few wins in the encoding and 3D rendering benchmarks. General application benchmarks generally favor the E6300 over the 4200+ but there are some cases where there's effectively a tie or the 4200+ pulls ahead.
My job would be very easy if that's all there was to it, but the trouble is that I'm not so sure how these price cuts are going to affect availability. With Core 2 Duo there simply aren't going to be many CPUs available initially and thus pricing will probably resemble the extreme ends of some of those Econ 101 supply/demand graphs. The problem on the Athlon 64 X2 side is that AMD is already suffering from limited capacity, and by cutting prices by more than 50% across the board demand isn't really going to go down.
A couple of things can happen:
Needless to say, we're seeing a very price competitive AMD start to emerge from the smoke, an AMD we haven't seen in a while.
That's the end of your techie bedtime story, gnite folks and take care :)
The first one is about Intel's upcoming Core 2 Duo E4300. In my Core 2 Duo review I talked about an E4200, but it looks like Intel has scrapped the E4200 and replaced it with the E4300. The E4200 was supposed to be a 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo with a 2MB L2 cache but only an 800MHz FSB. The E4300 is a 1.8GHz part, also equipped with a 2MB L2 cache and the same 800MHz FSB. The now canceled (or delayed) E4200 and the new E4300 both lack VT support, which will surely become more than a meaningless feature without software support. I've updated my Conroe article to reflect the updated information, but this change in Intel's roadmap is important for one reason, and one reason alone: when was the last time Intel made a last minute change to a roadmap that gave us a faster CPU? The last case I can remember was the ill-fated Pentium III 1.13GHz.
Why did Intel ditch the E4200 and give us the E4300 instead? My bet is on the next piece of news that caught my eye today: AMD's new price cuts. The pricing information that came out shortly after Computex was indeed higher than AMD ended up going with, the new pricing is indeed far more competitive. Based on AMD's new pricing, we've got the following matchups:
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 ($316) vs. AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ ($282)
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 ($224) vs. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ ($224)
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 ($183) vs. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ ($175)
Does AMD's new pricing change my processor recommendations? It most definitely can, but that obviously depends on what the availability picture looks like for the rest of this year. Assuming that these MSRPs actually translate into real world street pricing then here's my analysis of the new playing field:
E6600 vs. X2 5000+ ($316 vs. $282)
Based on the benchmarks I ran for my Core 2 Duo article, it looks like the E6600 would win this battle hands down. The E6600 costs a bit more, but would beat the 5000+ across the board.
E6400 vs. X2 4600+ ($224 vs. $224)
I'm still waiting on a E6400 to test but if I compare the 4600+ to the E6300 it's hard to declare a clear winner. Given that the E6400 will be faster than the E6300, it's still tough to say if there will be a clear winner - this battle may just end up being a toss up, or more than likely will boil down to street prices and availability.
E6300 vs. X2 4200+ ($183 vs. $175)
Just like the E6400 vs. X2 4600+ battle, it's tough to declare a true winner here. The E6300 pulls ahead in all of the gaming tests, while the 4200+ manages a few wins in the encoding and 3D rendering benchmarks. General application benchmarks generally favor the E6300 over the 4200+ but there are some cases where there's effectively a tie or the 4200+ pulls ahead.
My job would be very easy if that's all there was to it, but the trouble is that I'm not so sure how these price cuts are going to affect availability. With Core 2 Duo there simply aren't going to be many CPUs available initially and thus pricing will probably resemble the extreme ends of some of those Econ 101 supply/demand graphs. The problem on the Athlon 64 X2 side is that AMD is already suffering from limited capacity, and by cutting prices by more than 50% across the board demand isn't really going to go down.
A couple of things can happen:
- Core 2 Duo is widely available, everyone buys it; some people buy the new cheaper X2s and AMD's capacity strains don't get too much worse
- Core 2 Duo isn't widely available, its street prices skyrocket; people turn to the new cheaper X2s which then become scarce, sending its street prices upwards and nullifying the real world impact of these price cuts.
Needless to say, we're seeing a very price competitive AMD start to emerge from the smoke, an AMD we haven't seen in a while.
That's the end of your techie bedtime story, gnite folks and take care :)
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cciesquare - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link
I like your first case. I realllyyyyy want to get my hands on a E6600, if the chips are widely available that means I can buy it without the prices being whacky. Ideally it will be cheaper, but im sure that's a long shot. Second case, if it were to happen, would mean i will not get my Core 2 Duo any time soon, which probably will mean waiting months on end...sigh...why do they always have to make it so hard.Actually, a fantasy scenario would be when the chips first come available, its very very close to the projected prices, ie E6600 being priced at $316, give or take a few bucks, and i get lucky and buy it before it either runs out or prices skyrocket.
MartinT - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link
I think you got that wrong, from the DailyTech link, it's the X2 4200+ that will cost $175, while the X2 3800+ will go for $149.
Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link
That teaches me to try and do something important when I'm tired ;) I've made the appropriate correction, thanks for the heads up.Take care,
Anand