Wow, this IDF is like deja vu - of AMD's plans that is. Torrenza ripped off, Quad FX ripped off, on-die mem controller ripped off, Fusion ripped off, GPGPU ripped off.
Even if AMD dies, at least their ideas will live on. Looks like Intel just does a search/replace on AMD's plans and announces it 1-3 years later under a new name.
quote: Wow, this IDF is like deja vu - of AMD's plans that is. Torrenza ripped off, Quad FX ripped off, on-die mem controller ripped off, Fusion ripped off, GPGPU ripped off.
Most of them, if not all aren't even AMD's idea. If you are an engineer at a CPU company such as Intel/AMD, they would think of the ideas long time ago. ALL AMD did was bring to market. Oh wait, they only brought two on the market, and one is completely useless(Quad FX). If Barcelona came before Conroe, people would think the architecture enhancements were copied by Intel. But since Conroe came first, people assume AMD copied Intel. Which does sound pretty stupid to assume.
Given your username and your comment, I'd say you switch your brain off when you hear the word Intel so there's no point arguing the facts. Intell...droool...goooood
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"3Dlabs was previously a graphics card vendor that developed high-end graphics chip technology and marketed its Wildcat, Oxygen and Permedia computer graphics solutions to design professionals in the CAD and content creation industries. Formerly independent, it became a subsidiary of Creative Labs in 2002, but announced plans to spin in November 2006."
considering AMD were talking about their best k10 also having a 40% better performance than intel's best quad (and at the time that was at lower clocks, wasn't it) in some floating point benchmark, this performance preview of the penryn must sound scary to them...
i wonder if AMD can implement this sse4 thing or their k10 is too far in development already, as it seems to have quite an effect.
Tolapai is an SoC designed for embedded markets that essentially combines CPU, north/south bridge, and network processor. No integrated graphics sorry.
I would hope that Intel would be smart enough to introduce a new workstation chipset that supports dual CPUs but does not require FB DIMMs for this project. Don't see why they'd need more than 4 DIMM slots on the boards.
My fear for AMD is that intel can clock their chip relatively higher and can ramp it up much faster than AMD. K10 will probably prove to be a stronger Quad chip clock for clock. But intel easy response is going to ramp up its Penryn chip up to 3.5+ range either matching or beating AMD chips and then KO? with its Nehalem onboard controller chip VERY shortly after the plan AMD launch.
Why wouldn't 45nm help? At 65nm, Intel will achieve 3GHz for quad core 130W TDP parts. It's quite logical to assume that Intel will hit at least 3.6GHz for quad core parts in Q1 2008 if necessary with 130W TDP naturally. That's only 20% clockspeed increase at the same TDP.
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Roy2001 - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
BTW, I am not fan of any brand. I just buy the best. I switched from P3 to Athlon, now I switched back to Core2.DeepThought86 - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
Wow, this IDF is like deja vu - of AMD's plans that is. Torrenza ripped off, Quad FX ripped off, on-die mem controller ripped off, Fusion ripped off, GPGPU ripped off.Even if AMD dies, at least their ideas will live on. Looks like Intel just does a search/replace on AMD's plans and announces it 1-3 years later under a new name.
IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
Most of them, if not all aren't even AMD's idea. If you are an engineer at a CPU company such as Intel/AMD, they would think of the ideas long time ago. ALL AMD did was bring to market. Oh wait, they only brought two on the market, and one is completely useless(Quad FX). If Barcelona came before Conroe, people would think the architecture enhancements were copied by Intel. But since Conroe came first, people assume AMD copied Intel. Which does sound pretty stupid to assume.
DeepThought86 - Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - link
Given your username and your comment, I'd say you switch your brain off when you hear the word Intel so there's no point arguing the facts. Intell...droool...gooooodRoy2001 - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
AMD is in real trouble as I can see.Slaimus - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
Didn't Intel acquire 3DLabs? The 3DLabs Realizm line was pretty impressive in terms of features.
Missing Ghost - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
Quote from Wikipedia:"3Dlabs was previously a graphics card vendor that developed high-end graphics chip technology and marketed its Wildcat, Oxygen and Permedia computer graphics solutions to design professionals in the CAD and content creation industries. Formerly independent, it became a subsidiary of Creative Labs in 2002, but announced plans to spin in November 2006."
Visual - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
considering AMD were talking about their best k10 also having a 40% better performance than intel's best quad (and at the time that was at lower clocks, wasn't it) in some floating point benchmark, this performance preview of the penryn must sound scary to them...i wonder if AMD can implement this sse4 thing or their k10 is too far in development already, as it seems to have quite an effect.
wooter - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
Tolapai is an SoC designed for embedded markets that essentially combines CPU, north/south bridge, and network processor. No integrated graphics sorry.DigitalFreak - Monday, April 16, 2007 - link
I would hope that Intel would be smart enough to introduce a new workstation chipset that supports dual CPUs but does not require FB DIMMs for this project. Don't see why they'd need more than 4 DIMM slots on the boards.rqle - Monday, April 16, 2007 - link
My fear for AMD is that intel can clock their chip relatively higher and can ramp it up much faster than AMD. K10 will probably prove to be a stronger Quad chip clock for clock. But intel easy response is going to ramp up its Penryn chip up to 3.5+ range either matching or beating AMD chips and then KO? with its Nehalem onboard controller chip VERY shortly after the plan AMD launch.fikimiki - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
You forget that every MHz means more power to consume. 3.5GHz chip will have 150W TDP or more. And 45nm won't help.defter - Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - link
Why wouldn't 45nm help? At 65nm, Intel will achieve 3GHz for quad core 130W TDP parts. It's quite logical to assume that Intel will hit at least 3.6GHz for quad core parts in Q1 2008 if necessary with 130W TDP naturally. That's only 20% clockspeed increase at the same TDP.