I don’t consider myself a violent person at all. However, it’s imaginable that in the right situation with the right circumstances, either you or I could be equally prone to such behavior or worse. Disagree? Read up on history, my friend. There’s been more than one instance in which people have behaved in a manner that is purportedly not consistent with their “nature”. What do you really know about your conscious/unconscious/subconscious self? Presumably little if you disagree with my premise. Sorry if I sound cynical but it would be a stretch to say most people are even somewhat self-aware or sentient and judging from the responses in this thread, people are gladly willing to match or better the original transgression with one of their own. People are quick to act on emotions. Makes you wonder if there is actually a “ghost in the shell.”
And a question for the people who believe animals are better than people… I’m inclined to think animals don’t weigh moral and ethical ramifications when they take the lives of their prey. They don’t feel guilt. They do what their instinct drives them to do. We use adjectives like “sad”, “horrible”, “atrocious” to anthropomorphize the process of creation / destruction but it exists and occurs regardless of our intervention. So why do we judge humans more harshly than animals? Would you judge a murderer with an IQ of 140 harsher than a murderer with an IQ of 75? Why?
I think in due time all outcomes will be realized. If you toss 10 dice an indefinite number of times, you will eventually hit all sixes. Likewise, human behavior will play itself out in every combination possible. What does this mean? Our idea of deviance will continually seem timid to those who come after us.
I've thrown rocks at windows as a kid. I lit the occasional bag of dog crap on fire on the neighbors stoop and rang the bell. Sure, I even stole a few packs of gum from the 7-11 when growing up -- but I never killed anything. Kids will be kids is true, but these people are not kids - they are people who's sense of right and wrong is seriously flawed. They are the people who grow up to rape and kill. They are the type of people that do not deserve to live, and just bring our society down.
Anyone who can logically justify what they did is just as damaged as they are. No more, no less.
One has to wonder what our society is coming to with things like this happening. I hate to say it's a vicious circle and people who do things like this do not have a place in our society, nor deserve to be part of our world. They can not be trusted. I fully support an immeidate death sentence for anyone who performs a crime that is classified to be a threat to human-kind and it is the only way to really deal with these issues.
29 - Posted on Jul 5, 2004 at 8:48 AM by Bugsbunny
They're just animals not people. The kids should have to pay for the vet care of the older dog for not finishing killing it all the way but no other punishment is necessary. Klling animals is not wrong at all. Although you should eat them if you kill them.
Of course you should eat them. That's exactly how Jeffrey Dahmer felt about his "animals".
38 - Posted on Jul 5, 2004 at 9:32 PM by Anon
Buggspussy and Visual,
I'd love for you say such things in the presence of people like myself who feel otherwise. Your asenine remarks would lead to alot of hospital time, I can assure you.
Animal abuse is bad, of course human abuse is just fine.
41 - Posted on Jul 5, 2004 at 11:21 PM by Anonymous Reply
I have two cats and a dog, the dog came from a rescue agency in the area, and she's the sweetest little mutt. Loves everyone, barks like a maniac outside and people and dogs walking by, but will be your friend for life if you pet her.
Have you considered discipline/obedience training to eliminate your dog's incessant barking which you MUST know is disturbing everyone else in the neighborhood?! THINK about it! NOBODY wants to be disturbed by a damn barking dog. Quit being an ignorant inconsiderate dog owner. You actually DO have responsibilities to not infringe upon your neighbors.
43 - Posted on Jul 6, 2004 at 10:17 AM by ImJacksAmygdala
You want to hear something even sicker? I know a guy that grew up in Mexico and his wife told me that when he was a kid all the local kids would drown puppies for fun at 6-10 years old... I'm a serious dog lover and I just couldn't imagine... WTF?!?!
YOU want something sicker???!!! Go to http://www.ogrish.com and witness TRUE sick! Here you will find all kinds of cruelty to HUMANS, but then again they don't count.... mostly courtesy of the Middle East BTW. Wow! You even get to watch real live people getting their heads cut off with a knife...yes, while they are still alive; or watch a man with an arm tied to two separate vehicles play "wishbone"! You really want to talk sick???!!!
It has not been found to be a hoax. One and only one of the four news stations here reported that to be the case. It has since been discovered that there were dead puppies....
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GeekPhilosopher - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
I don’t consider myself a violent person at all. However, it’s imaginable that in the right situation with the right circumstances, either you or I could be equally prone to such behavior or worse. Disagree? Read up on history, my friend. There’s been more than one instance in which people have behaved in a manner that is purportedly not consistent with their “nature”. What do you really know about your conscious/unconscious/subconscious self? Presumably little if you disagree with my premise. Sorry if I sound cynical but it would be a stretch to say most people are even somewhat self-aware or sentient and judging from the responses in this thread, people are gladly willing to match or better the original transgression with one of their own. People are quick to act on emotions. Makes you wonder if there is actually a “ghost in the shell.”And a question for the people who believe animals are better than people… I’m inclined to think animals don’t weigh moral and ethical ramifications when they take the lives of their prey. They don’t feel guilt. They do what their instinct drives them to do. We use adjectives like “sad”, “horrible”, “atrocious” to anthropomorphize the process of creation / destruction but it exists and occurs regardless of our intervention. So why do we judge humans more harshly than animals? Would you judge a murderer with an IQ of 140 harsher than a murderer with an IQ of 75? Why?
I think in due time all outcomes will be realized. If you toss 10 dice an indefinite number of times, you will eventually hit all sixes. Likewise, human behavior will play itself out in every combination possible. What does this mean? Our idea of deviance will continually seem timid to those who come after us.
Dog Lover - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
I've thrown rocks at windows as a kid. I lit the occasional bag of dog crap on fire on the neighbors stoop and rang the bell. Sure, I even stole a few packs of gum from the 7-11 when growing up -- but I never killed anything. Kids will be kids is true, but these people are not kids - they are people who's sense of right and wrong is seriously flawed. They are the people who grow up to rape and kill. They are the type of people that do not deserve to live, and just bring our society down.Anyone who can logically justify what they did is just as damaged as they are. No more, no less.
Dog Lover - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
One has to wonder what our society is coming to with things like this happening. I hate to say it's a vicious circle and people who do things like this do not have a place in our society, nor deserve to be part of our world. They can not be trusted. I fully support an immeidate death sentence for anyone who performs a crime that is classified to be a threat to human-kind and it is the only way to really deal with these issues.Apollyon - Wednesday, July 7, 2004 - link
@Bugsbunny:What's your address, I promise I'll eat you after I've killed you.
@Seth:
You I'd eat as well, should I ever find you.
noneyabusiness - Wednesday, July 7, 2004 - link
29 - Posted on Jul 5, 2004 at 8:48 AM by BugsbunnyThey're just animals not people. The kids should have to pay for the vet care of the older dog for not finishing killing it all the way but no other punishment is necessary. Klling animals is not wrong at all. Although you should eat them if you kill them.
Of course you should eat them. That's exactly how Jeffrey Dahmer felt about his "animals".
38 - Posted on Jul 5, 2004 at 9:32 PM by Anon
Buggspussy and Visual,
I'd love for you say such things in the presence of people like myself who feel otherwise. Your asenine remarks would lead to alot of hospital time, I can assure you.
Animal abuse is bad, of course human abuse is just fine.
41 - Posted on Jul 5, 2004 at 11:21 PM by Anonymous Reply
I have two cats and a dog, the dog came from a rescue agency in the area, and she's the sweetest little mutt. Loves everyone, barks like a maniac outside and people and dogs walking by, but will be your friend for life if you pet her.
Have you considered discipline/obedience training to eliminate your dog's incessant barking which you MUST know is disturbing everyone else in the neighborhood?! THINK about it! NOBODY wants to be disturbed by a damn barking dog. Quit being an ignorant inconsiderate dog owner. You actually DO have responsibilities to not infringe upon your neighbors.
43 - Posted on Jul 6, 2004 at 10:17 AM by ImJacksAmygdala
You want to hear something even sicker? I know a guy that grew up in Mexico and his wife told me that when he was a kid all the local kids would drown puppies for fun at 6-10 years old... I'm a serious dog lover and I just couldn't imagine... WTF?!?!
YOU want something sicker???!!! Go to http://www.ogrish.com and witness TRUE sick! Here you will find all kinds of cruelty to HUMANS, but then again they don't count.... mostly courtesy of the Middle East BTW. Wow! You even get to watch real live people getting their heads cut off with a knife...yes, while they are still alive; or watch a man with an arm tied to two separate vehicles play "wishbone"! You really want to talk sick???!!!
gimper48 - Wednesday, July 7, 2004 - link
This is a tragic. I hope those kids get theirs. I cannot believe this article.. ugghh humanity.Td - Tuesday, July 6, 2004 - link
I agree "What comes around goes around". Animals, babies and other types of life are so innocent how can you possibly do anything to them??Seth! - Tuesday, July 6, 2004 - link
SWEET! I hate animals, they are nothing but food to humans!shinerburke - Tuesday, July 6, 2004 - link
It has not been found to be a hoax. One and only one of the four news stations here reported that to be the case. It has since been discovered that there were dead puppies....rg - Tuesday, July 6, 2004 - link
I'm lost for words... I can't believe that someone would do something like that.